Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith *warning, may contain spoilers*

Of course you also have to add the fact that Anakin feel in love with Padme and married her. His teachings told him it was wrong because a jedi wasn't sapose to have any ties that might force him to change his mind about certain things. The dream for instance made him try and find a way to save Padme and he didn't care how he did it. No matter what he was going to save her. Thats when Palpatine told him about the darkside and how he could possibly save her by joining him.

Well, although Anakin/Vader doesn't really consider Palpatine a best friend or even a true master, he does consider him a great ally.


Then again, I don't even, Palpatine probably isn't even worried if he dies. He has countless clones prepared to take over where the latest version dies....err..but that's going into EU. If you believe that stuff (i like some of it. But I refuse to believe Boba survived the sarlaac!!!! )

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Then again, I don't even, Palpatine probably isn't even worried if he dies. He has countless clones prepared to take over where the latest version dies....err..but that's going into EU. If you believe that stuff (i like some of it. But I refuse to believe Boba survived the sarlaac!!!! )

Yeah...I dont go by the EU when discussing Star Wars...unless someone wants to specifically discuss the EU, then Ill try to get into it. But I dont regard any of the EU as canon...

I wouldnt really say that Vader regards Palpatine as a friendly ally. Palpatine is Vader's "Master"...and Sith doctrine dictates there are two and one is subjugated as the apprentice. Vader is controlled by Palpatine, and thus follows him...but by know means would I say Vader and Palpatine are allies of a friendly nature. They are allies through mutual interest...ruling the galaxy and bending it towards their will.

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Originally posted by StevieV019 quote: Then again, I don't even, Palpatine probably isn't even worried if he dies. He has countless clones prepared to take over where the latest version dies....err..but that's going into EU. If you believe that stuff (i like some of it. But I refuse to believe Boba survived the sarlaac!!!! ) Yeah...I dont go by the EU when discussing Star Wars...unless someone wants to specifically discuss the EU, then Ill try to get into it. But I dont regard any of the EU as canon... I wouldnt really say that Vader regards Palpatine as a friendly ally. Palpatine is Vader's "Master"...and Sith doctrine dictates there are two and one is subjugated as the apprentice. Vader is controlled by Palpatine, and thus follows him...but by know means would I say Vader and Palpatine are allies of a friendly nature. They are allies through mutual interest...ruling the galaxy and bending it towards their will.

What does the european union have to do with star wars?

anyway. I cant wait to see that new star wars series they're gonna have...which should be fun...

EU means Extended Universe. It's all of the novels, games, comics and stuff other than the films.

I saw the movie again and loved it again.

The fight between Obi-Wan and Anakin is the most emotional fight ever.

This movie was, seriously, about ten times better than I expected.

Then again I purposefully kept my expectations low.

I saw it yesterday, and really liked it. It had some awesome action sequences, but it was really, really depressing. I had to watch the OT afterward so I felt better. XD
I almost cried when Windu got killed. This is how that scene should have gone:
Anakin: You can't kill him!
Mace: YES HE DESERVES TO DIE AND I HOPE HE BURNS IN HELL!
Anakin & Palpatine: *blank stare*

I remember the first time I heard lucas refer to Sith as "titanic in space" i just laughed out loud. When I heard that Spielberg cried at the end of the movie, I cringed. Now, when I hear those stories, I don't.

With nothing on TV, and being bored ready to fall asleep, I'm actually watching A New Hope right now. I'll tell ya, it really hasn't aged at all. Special Edition shots like the dewbacks on Tatooine look great. For the preqel trilogy, the more I see of the OT, the more I wish Lucas used a combination of models of star ships intertwined with CG (explosions, thrust,etc.etc.)



:makes a tie fighter screech:


YEEEEEEEEEERRRRrSSHHHHHhh

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the more I wish Lucas used a combination of models of star ships intertwined with CG

Agreed. I know someone will go "you're just being sentimental about the originals" or something, but watching that opening battle in Sith...it just looked like an epilleptic christmas tree compared to the spacefight scenes in the originals. I mean it was good...just...I don't know..lacking somehow.

And I firmly stand by the fact that the opening shot of A New Hope, when the camera pans down and that ship zooms by exchanging fire with the Star Destroyer, is easily the best of the three.

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I almost cried when Windu got killed. This is how that scene should have gone: Anakin: You can't kill him! Mace: YES HE DESERVES TO DIE AND I HOPE HE BURNS IN HELL! Anakin & Palpatine: *blank stare*

Not five minutes after I got back from seeing it, I was flipping channels..and what do I happen to find on encore, but Pulp Fiction.

ahhahaha, Pulp Fiction is where Samuel Jackson really shines
anyway....I have to agree, not enough battles in space...
although i laughed my @$$ off when the wookies hijacked that ship and blew it up. a nod to Ep.VI

About that whole Palpatine being Anakin's dad thing:

Palpatine told Anakin that Darth Whatever was able to will the midi-chlorians to create life. Then he was killed after passing all his knowledge to his apprentice. So either Darth Whatever, or Palpatine used that technique to create Anakin, who would me ridiculously strong in the Force and could be subtly guided from birth to the Dark Side.

That's all inferred from what Palpatine told Anakin in the opera house. Whew.

I don't believe Palpatine in that scene.
Palpatine knew that Anakin was in desperation to save his wife from death, so he told him a Sith "legend" about saving people from death.

You join the dark side, you can save your wife, everyone wins. Except the jedi

I think Palpatine told the truth. Except for the life-saving thing, he made that up to get Anakin to join him. Mostly because the Sith are mostly concerned with killing others as opposed to helping.

Another interesting thing was that I had always thought that the Emperor was really, really old and his body was ravaged by the Dark Side. and that's why he looked weird in Empire and Jedi. It's pretty cool that he was messed up by his own lightning.

I think he messed himself up on purpose so he would look totally helpless when Anakin came in, making Windu look like a bad guy.

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Originally posted by GAT-X105 About that whole Palpatine being Anakin's dad thing: Palpatine told Anakin that Darth Whatever was able to will the midi-chlorians to create life. Then he was killed after passing all his knowledge to his apprentice. So either Darth Whatever, or Palpatine used that technique to create Anakin, who would me ridiculously strong in the Force and could be subtly guided from birth to the Dark Side. That's all inferred from what Palpatine told Anakin in the opera house. Whew.

The Sith Lord in question is Darth Plagueis. He became so wise and powerful from the Dark Side that he was able to influence midichlorians and prevent people from dying. He passed down this information to his apprentice Palpatine, who killed him in his sleep.

It seems to me that Plagueis devised the strategy of the Sith defeating the Jedi and conquering the universe through politics, but Palpatine killed his master so he alone would rule.

The Force created Anakin. That's why he is the Chosen One.

Finally saw the movie yesterday evening...WOW...thats all I can really say...

As for Darth Plagueis (sp.?) being able to create life and passing that onto his apprentice (through implication: Sidious), interesting stuff. I just got back from Borders and read an interview of George Lucas in Rolling Stone magazine. He actually tells the interviewer its up to the audience to decide whether Plagueis or Sidious created Anakin through their midi-chlorian altering powers. He never really says who created/how Anakin was made....so Ill leave that topic at that...

As for Sidious/Palpatine being hideous looking...here's my take. I dont think his force lightning marred and scarred him. I think he's so immersed in the Dark Side that he NATURALLY looks that way (all wrinkled and f'ed up looking). I think in order to keep Mace at bay, he had to reach deep inside to unload his lightning, and by doing so, lowered his illusion of his appearance (clean cut and all). If you rewatch the movie, the lightning never makes contact with Palpatine, it gets blocked and absorbed/wraps around Windu's lightsaber. So...I think because of Sidious/Palpatine's dark side training, he naturally looks the way he does at the end of the movie and in Return of the Jedi. His whole life is a ruse to gain power, so why wouldnt his appearance as a clean cut politician be a ruse also? (Just another perspective)

The only real problem I have with the movie is this: When you cut through all the other issues and such, Anakin takes up Palpatine/Sidious' side only because of Padme and the chance to save her based upon a dream he keeps having. Im sorry, that, in my opinion, is a little discouraging. Why cant he JUST be fed up with the Jedi restricting his potential? Why cant he just get pissed at Obi-Wan's constant criticisms? To some extent these do throw him into Sidious' plans, but it was the thought of having the ability to save Padme that turns him to the dark side and Palpatine/Sidious' cause. Puhhh-leeease...a little annoyed by that...but oh well...

I think that Plagus was the one who created Anakin, and Palpatine saw the opportunity to make the kid his apprentice.

As far as the Emperor's appearance: That's a really good idea. He gave up the charade of his "friendly" face and claimed that his freakish real face was because of the Jedi attacking him, making everyone -who had already distrusted the Jedi, it seemed many civilians did not like the Jedi lording over them- believe the Jedi were traitors.

Here's something...

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She and her mother were hidden with Bail Organa on the planet Alderaan, where she grew up in the political atmosphere surrounding an Imperial Senator

I'm assuming that her mother would be Padme because why would Mrs.Organa have to be hidden? It wouldn't bother me so much but ALL or the vast majority of the Star Wars resources say that Padme and Leia went to Alderaan. Many people have told me that Leia probably knew her mother through the force, which makes sense because Leia was force sensitive, but I just don't buy it. If Leia could sense her mother through the force, than why couldn't Luke?

What bothered me the most about Padme is that she just gave up and died ( at least that's what was implied in the movie). I know she must have been feeling pretty miserble but she had two children. If it were a weaker character I could probably accept it but being that she was a senator and a former queen, a woman lead by her sense of duty why would she just give up on life? She may have died on the inside but would probably try to hold it together, if just for the sake of Luke and Leia. That's why I think it would have been better if she just ran off to Alderaan with Bail and Leia. Of course she would be pretty damn sad because one of her children is parted from her and that whole thing about her husbund being a toasty servant of the darkside but it would tie in.

But I guess I'm being a little too hard on George Lucas. He probably just took a few liberties with the story to add to the emotion of the film ( hell it's his story! ).

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Originally posted by Gummibear Here's something... quote: She and her mother were hidden with Bail Organa on the planet Alderaan, where she grew up in the political atmosphere surrounding an Imperial Senator I'm assuming that her mother would be Padme because why would Mrs.Organa have to be hidden? quote: It wouldn't bother me so much but ALL or the vast majority of the Star Wars resources say that Padme and Leia went to Alderaan. Many people have told me that Leia probably knew her mother through the force, which makes sense because Leia was force sensitive, but I just don't buy it. If Leia could sense her mother through the force, than why couldn't Luke? What bothered me the most about Padme is that she just gave up and died ( at least that's what was implied in the movie). I know she must have been feeling pretty miserble but she had two children. If it were a weaker character I could probably accept it but being that she was a senator and a former queen, a woman lead by her sense of duty why would she just give up on life? She may have died on the inside but would probably try to hold it together, if just for the sake of Luke and Leia. That's why I think it would have been better if she just ran off to Alderaan with Bail and Leia. Of course she would be pretty damn sad because one of her children is parted from her and that whole thing about her husbund being a toasty servant of the darkside but it would tie in. But I guess I'm being a little too hard on George Lucas. He probably just took a few liberties with the story to add to the emotion of the film ( hell it's his story! ).

You have to remember why she "gave up on life." It was because she lost Anakin, her soulmate, her shining star, etc. etc. Seeing his fall from grace, after having to hide their act for so long, crushed her. Her living wouldve meant being without her partner...and also living in a world in which he ruled malevolently. Anakin took up the flag for the causes in which he and she initially abhorred. I guess it kinda proves that Padme wasnt as strong as most of us thought she was...

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It wouldn't bother me so much but ALL or the vast majority of the Star Wars resources say that Padme and Leia went to Alderaan.

I have to disagree with this. I have yet to discover a source that has mentioned both Leia and her mother (Padme) fled and hid with Bail Organa on Alderaan. The sources Ive read have always mentioned that Bail Organa and his wife raised Leia and were regarded as her parents. Hence, her name is Leia Organa, when referenced...

One quick thing about the movies that did kinda get me a little was this: Luke was born first...I always though Leia was born first. Also, Luke did "see" Padme for an instant, and yet, he doesnt have a recollection of her as Leia does (through their conversation on Endor in Return of the Jedi)...whats up with that?

Quick Edit: Saw Revenge of the Sith again on Monday, a portion of Palpatine's force lightning does hit him in the face, causing some scarring, but with how strong he is, I still dont think it caused most of the damage to his appearance. I mean, he is involved in so much dark side alchemy and experimentation that his body is burned out. Most of the lightning does get absorbed by Windu's lightsaber, but some does mangle Palpatine to an extent. Just a quick update...