How many time the "reset" will continue ?

Dangerous 01-22-2006 04:16 PM
Some people spoke about a "Reset". Paradigm-city, like in "the Truman Show", is a very great theater where every one plays his role. There was a reset at the end of the scenario. Can we conclude that "The Big O" is like "The Matrix", but with another end ? I mean that here Neo didn"t choose the good door. Thus why a defeatist scenario ? Why have they failed ? How many time will Paradigm-City be rebuilt ? And now who has rebuilt Paradigm-City, the new one we see at the end of the 26th episode ?

Thus what will give the third season if it will be created ? A more optimistic scenario like in the scenario of "the Matrix"? Is it necessary to make this third season ?
Lost_Cyborg 01-23-2006 06:15 AM
*shrug* as many times as it takes. To be cryptic.
Lost_Cyborg 01-23-2006 08:52 AM
Yeah I know I could just edit my last post but... This might help you:
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PARADIGM THEORY

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And through this I have come to the conclusion that Paradigm city is just about statistics, perhaps a group of scientists and a lot of money wanted to find out if humanity always made the same choices, if so/ if not can our future/ destiny be changed, do we even have destinies? Thus Paradigm’s resetting through Big Venus, and the current ‘director’ of the city, who pilots Big Venus. The director changes and can change the city to an extent to see how many different cities appear, what the director does with the city and what other people do with the situations they are put into.
But then the money /time/ interest ran out and Paradigm was just left to run (like a computer program... Maybe that is what it is... It would explain the grids) and that's why it seems to be going wrong, and memories being returned to some people at obscure moments, if the return of memories and realisation of what Paradigm really is can mentally damage the returnee’s mind (such as what it did to Roger and possibly Michael Seebach before he became Schwarzwald) then that implies that it’s not really meant to happen and the program (paradigm) is breaking down and is in need of repair.
Staying on the computer program side of things you could almost go as far as to say Schwarzwald (possibly the union) is a virus infected part of the program or a worm; tries to get deeper into the computer. But that might just be going too far.


Another possibility I’ve heard (sadly I can’t remember who it was who said this, please tell me if you know) is that the ‘actors’ where brought up as the characters from a young age (thus Roger’s memories of his mother and being a child) and brainwashed eventually into believing that they really are that person.
Still, this doesn’t really explain the resetting.


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The Giant Gears
http://www.paradigm-city.com/images/ep26/BigO3.jpg

Perhaps it's the personification of 'the mechanics of the city' showing what is in reality a term or saying to do with how people make a city work, and a city; or rather the power stations, police force ECT... Can only work with memories. Using Fahrenheit 451 as a possible example:

Before event: Firemen (or to be picky; fire people): Put out fires.
After event: Firemen: Start fires; forget what firemen USED to do and use common sense instead, and common sense says: Firemen... Obviosly means they START fires.

Admittedly, in Fahrenheit 451 the people didn't lose their memories directly, they lost books, and eventually lost their histories. But it's the same theory.

The gears represent the mechanics of the city, meaning the power stations ECT... Without memories/ knowledge those things can't work and the city, brakes down; thus the broken gears.

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^^; Considering I just though of that out of the top of my head I'm amazed and convinced...

One of my theories is this:
--- Paradigm Resets, obviously, but can be changed by the current Director of the Stage, but their appears to ether be a glitch or a 'program' which allow for change in more subtle things; meta-memories or lost memories for example.

Meta-memories, are a creation of my dads, they are memories of memories E.G. "I remember remembering that but I forgotten what 'that' is."

So every time Paradigm resets and the amnesia sets in things change, this is one scenario:

---1: Roger Smith and Dorothy Wayneright are close; it is unsure how close the relationship was. Act 26 comes around, Dorothy can't save Roger because she is a human and/or Roger can't negotiate successfully.

RESET

---2: Roger Smith seems to remember Dorothy Wayneright. But Dorothy has also got semi-memories of this man who she hasn't met, instead of being interested she is scared and avoids him. Roger has a different job, he didn't think he could be a good negotiator thanks to meta-memories of the last Act 26. Roger is called to negotiate (?) but can't do so successfully; no practice/ isn't saved.

RESET

---3 (current): Roger has meta-memories of Dorothy but not strong enough worry him, same goes for her. They have a 'sort of' relationship, their memories of each other grow as time goes on. Dorothy (being an android) can save Roger, who this time has had practice at negotiating?

RESET???

--4 (next): Possibly a repeat of 1 or 2 depending on strength of memories.



Paradigm is reset again and again to see if human actions can be predicted, the future predicted and if history does repeat its self.

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Dangerous 01-23-2006 09:50 AM
quote:
Paradigm is reset again and again to see if human actions can be predicted, the future predicted and if history does repeat its self.


BRAVO. Your theories are well founded. They are very good, I don't know how to say that ..... WAW ! I have my head which is heavy now. I think I am about to collapse ..... for a minute.

Ok. I feel better now. Tongue

You say PC is just like a program who reboots, resets every time. Like in 'the Matrix'. Every people in PC are programs. Damn! I believe you are right. A moment in the 26th episode Angel says "everything depends on my choice now", as Neo said in 'the Matrix 2'. Has she done the wrong choice ? Thus will the third season (if it will be created) be the last chance for Angel to take the good choice ?

WHAT A CRAZY EXISTENTIAL SCENARIO !!!

There is something I don't understand in the 26th episode : why has Roger presented himself to Angel, to take the role of Roger Smith the Negociator. Was he 'one' Roger, or a real human beeing who presented to Angel ? And Dorothy was just next to him; was she an android or a human at that moment ?

[I think I will edit this post, there is something I forgot to say, but I don't remember it now]
Lost_Cyborg 01-23-2006 10:04 AM
Saddly I don't have ACT 26 on DVD, how ever I will try to find out about it and edit this post when I do. It's been too long for me to remeber of the top of my head.
Dangerous 01-23-2006 10:11 AM
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Originally posted by Lost_Cyborg
Saddly I don't have ACT 26 on DVD
Have you watched the 26th epîsode ? You can see 'The Big O' season two on Cartoon Network today, they display the first episode of the second season at 19h20 GMT. You must go to someone who has the cable. You can see the episodes in French or in English, you can do that with the sound option. Smile
Lost_Cyborg 01-23-2006 10:37 AM
*sob* I have seen ACT 26 a few times.
But I only have sky and I'm the only one in my 'group' on even has that, I can't believe I've missed season 2 thanks to CN: We have CN and Toonami as seperate channels but no AS.
Dangerous 01-23-2006 10:47 AM
me too, I have CN, but no AS and no sky. Too bad that CN only displays stupid animations like Scooby Doo, or HI Hi Amiyumi and battle b-daman. Frown A chace they display the Big O.

Anyway I am still waiting for the second 2 DVDs; the seller where I bought the first season told me that 'they' have still not proposed to him the second season. Thus I must wait again.
Lost_Cyborg 01-23-2006 12:30 PM
I've found that CN and it's branch Toonami are now almost identical. When I got into Big O (on Toonami) the programs where for older kids (teens?) while plain CN for younger kids. Now the programs are the same. Plus toonami's shows most seem to spread over 1hour (two 1/2 hours) why? When they could boost their popularity by putting on a larger range of shows? Like bringing Big O and Outlaw Star back on.
A Clockwork Tomato 01-23-2006 08:48 PM
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Originally posted by samirsouleyman
Some people spoke about a "Reset". Paradigm-city, like in "the Truman Show", is a very great theater where every one plays his role. There was a reset at the end of the scenario. Can we conclude that "The Big O" is like "The Matrix", but with another end ? I mean that here Neo didn"t choose the good door. Thus why a defeatist scenario ? Why have they failed ? How many time will Paradigm-City be rebuilt ? And now who has rebuilt Paradigm-City, the new one we see at the end of the 26th episode ?

Thus what will give the third season if it will be created ? A more optimistic scenario like in the scenario of "the Matrix"? Is it necessary to make this third season ?


Watch acts 25 and 26 and pay special attention to what Gordon Rosewater says about the world and its directors, and what Roger says to Angel at the end.

Gordon has a plan to break the cycle. Roger carries it out. Things have changed. The Paradigm after Season 2 can be very different from what has gone before.
Lost_Cyborg 01-24-2006 03:26 PM
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Originally posted by A Clockwork Tomato
quote:
Originally posted by samirsouleyman
Some people spoke about a "Reset". Paradigm-city, like in "the Truman Show", is a very great theater where every one plays his role. There was a reset at the end of the scenario. Can we conclude that "The Big O" is like "The Matrix", but with another end ? I mean that here Neo didn"t choose the good door. Thus why a defeatist scenario ? Why have they failed ? How many time will Paradigm-City be rebuilt ? And now who has rebuilt Paradigm-City, the new one we see at the end of the 26th episode ?

Thus what will give the third season if it will be created ? A more optimistic scenario like in the scenario of "the Matrix"? Is it necessary to make this third season ?


Watch acts 25 and 26 and pay special attention to what Gordon Rosewater says about the world and its directors, and what Roger says to Angel at the end.

Gordon has a plan to break the cycle. Roger carries it out. Things have changed. The Paradigm after Season 2 can be very different from what has gone before.


Hm.... Shall we asume for a moment that Roger's negotiation at the end with successful and that all the other's wern't? Maybe that's what Gordan meant, he appeared to be the last director and could of manipulated Roger's life so that he became a good negotiator, better than ever before; like Gordan said about his tomato exprement (the fruits not the people), repeating a proccess until the origional is re-created (or something). Was Roger once a amazingly good negotiator? Here's a theory:

The first event: a war, Roger negotiated within the war and managed to do something stunning, like stop it, but he was killed shortly after.
No one knew how he'd done it.
There was a threat, possibly the danger of war breaking out again, but this time there was no Roger, so he was cloned, but he had to be taught right to, so Paradigm was created.
The war destroyed the outside world and Paradigm continued to run, Roger becoming closer and closer to his origional state all the time...
corrupt 01-24-2006 05:26 PM
I think it just goes on forever, and when an "actor dies" on of the clones will just take its place...