Wait...If the true meaning of Paradigm is.... (see inside)

Mrs. Beck 06-03-2005 09:21 PM
Ok, I'll try to make this understandable, but I still don't fully grasp the resetting of Paradigm my self.
First of all, something that many people may not know is that, in another language (hell I forget what) Paradigm litterally means 'never ending'. So, altogether, Paradigm City is the Never Ending City.
So, doesn't that mean that Paradigm will just continue to reset every time civilization starts to catch on? Or is this just my imagination?
So...doesn't that mean that Paradigm just continually restarts, over and over and over? That there's no end? So, what about the possibility of alternate paths? The possibility of alternate lives for the residents of Paradigm? I dunno, your oppinions?
Mr. Fortnight 06-03-2005 09:33 PM
Actually, the definition of Paradigm means "Model". So Paradigm City is the Model City or a Model City.
Lupin IV 06-03-2005 09:34 PM
Paradigm also means

the generally accepted perspective of a particular discipline at a given time.


I guess that could relate to Big O too. I also remember something from my Creative Writing class about paradigm meaning a script or something. I'm not sure, i haven't even seen the notebook since last year.


But as for Paradigm City reseting, I do not think it ever ends. Unless perhaps an ultimate understanding or plot goal is completed. Who knows Big Grin
lhlam 06-03-2005 11:30 PM
The true meaning of "Paradigm" is actually revealed in Act 14. Remember Roger the wanderer is reading a Paradigm newspaper? The "Big O" comic strip serialized in the paper is eye-catching, but in fact what is most important in the entire scene lies behind. Recall the strong wind then blows away the paper, but right before that, the camera shows us what is on the back of it. A news report -- written by Michael Seebeth! -- is titled: "Paradigm Shift." Below there is a section title: "Science Progresses By Leaps and Bound." (See attachment)

The reference is unmistakably clear. The Big O creators here is referring to a famous book by Thomas Kuhn named The Structure of Scientific Revolutions (1962), where the extremely influential notion of "paradigm" was proposed for the first time. According to Kuhn, each scientific revolution is brought about NOT by gradual accumulation of empirical discoveries as we usually believe, but by a sudden "paradigm shift," that is a drastic change in our fundamental conceptual framework (model or persepective, if you like) through which we interpret our data and findings. What makes Newton and Eienstein different is not the "facts" they collect and possess, but the diverse paradigms in which they respectively worked. Radically speaking, there is no "genuine" scientific progress, but only a transformation of the way we see and examine the world.

A paradigm shift usually occurs within a very short period of time if not overnight, like taking a great leap and bound or undergoing an earthquake, but paradoxically it is not easy to be fully articulated and captured. It takes place at a more unconscious level of the scientific community or a certain society. Once the paradigm has shifted, people in a new paradigm would find it impossible to make sense of what had once been taken for granted within another paradigm. So imagine by some "accident" you find yourself transported back or forth to a different paradigm, you would certainly feel like being thrown into a horrorifyingly strange landscape. No doubt Roger the wanderer would feel so lost in a Paradigm other than what he is familiar with. (Interestingly, visually this difference is represented as between New York, the backdrop of the entire show, and Chicago, the setting of Act 14.)

The entire story of The Big O can be therefore read as a story of paradigm shifts: each earthquakelike shift leads to amnesia and loss of continuity. Actually, this is even closer to the vision of the French philosopher Michel Foucault's The Order of Things (1966), only that he used the word "episteme" instead of "paradigm," but no doubt he was under the influence of Kuhn. The Big O world is a post-Kuhn or post-Foucault world. Before Kuhn and Foucault, no one really "felt" any paradigm shift; but since then, we have become highly anxious about it, now that we are told we have lost our "memories" of the previous paradigms.

The Big O is obviously informed by quite a number of advanced critical and literary theories. "Paradigm" is only one of them.
BethMcBeth 06-04-2005 01:10 PM
Hmmm thats a interesting idea Mrs. Beck as far as what I beleive I think that at the end of the re-set with Big Venus and stuff I beleive that the characters this time were able to chose their own paths and ended up creating a whole new world or life for themselves. But if there's one thing that Big O has taught me is that you have to keep a very opened mind because anything is possible so who knows! ^_^"

-Beth
kerbe3 06-10-2005 08:27 PM
In the hitchhiker's book a paragraph reads: "There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable."

Perhaps when Schwarzwald figured out the truth about what was going on, this "reset" had to happen. Big Grin
DorothyFan1 06-10-2005 09:09 PM
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Originally posted by kerbe3
In the hitchhiker's book a paragraph reads: "There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable."

Perhaps when Schwarzwald figured out the truth about what was going on, this "reset" had to happen. Big Grin


This makes Schwartzwald the real hero of The Big O. That means what happens to him is a true tragedy. This might explain why Alan Gabriel didn't succeed in getting Big Duo to accept him as its Dominus...because Alan Gabriel wasn't interested in finding the Truth.

In fact, I think this might be the clue to who gets to pilot the Megadeuses...only those who pledge to find the "Truth" and be its guardians. This may explain why Big O has Roger Smith as its Dominus...because Roger Smith is fighting for the Truth. But so was Schwartzwald...and that's why he was the Dominus for Big Duo.

If this theory has any traction...then I believe in a post Season 2 Paradigm City world...that both Angel and Dorothy are pilots of the two remaining Megadeuses...Big Duo and Big Fau. It ties neatly into that Memory fragment that showed Big O, Duo and Fau working side by side. I also believe that Schwartzwald is really Roger Smith's true mentor even though they worked at cross purposes.

Roger Smith was trying to learn the Truth in order to set the city of Paradigm free from its ghosts. Schwartzwald wanted to learn the Truth in order to destroy the illusions that enslaved Paradigm City. Alex Rosewater didn't care about the "Truth". He only wanted total control and was willing to sacrifice not only the citizens of Paradigm City...but also his own humanity to attain his ends. That's why Alex Rosewater is not the true Dominus for the White Megadeus. Big Fau is the gift for Dorothy...that's why her Memory core is what powers it. Dorothy is finally "free" from the illusions of what Paradigm City meant. Now that she knows the truth...she has graduated to Dominus class like Roger Smith and Schwartzwald.

I conclude with this...I believe the real rivalry will be to win Roger Smith's soul...and that's where a post Season 2 Paradigm City scenario would be about...on the one side...you have Dorothy...android and protege of Roger Smith..the Negotiator...and on the other...Schwartzwald...the genius who was the brilliant reporter Michael Seebach. That's why I believe the setup for a hypothetical/illusionary Season 3 would be to see a showdown between Schwartzwald in Big Duo against Dorothy piloting Big Fau. And Roger Smith has to choose which side he's going to protect...Dorothy...the next Director of the hologram program? or Schwartzwald...the harbinger of change and an uncertain future.
Mr. Fortnight 07-04-2005 02:47 PM
Or find some way to unite all sides. After all, he is the negotiator. He is the medium. Perhaps by creating a unity, he can achieve his mission. Negotiate with the director of the simulation that is Paradigm City.

The allegorys to the Matrix now are starting to become glaring.
paradoxx 07-05-2005 01:22 AM
quote:
Originally posted by lhlam
The true meaning of "Paradigm" is actually revealed in Act 14. Remember Roger the wanderer is reading a Paradigm newspaper? The "Big O" comic strip serialized in the paper is eye-catching, but in fact what is most important in the entire scene lies behind. Recall the strong wind then blows away the paper, but right before that, the camera shows us what is on the back of it. A news report -- written by Michael Seebeth! -- is titled: "Paradigm Shift." Below there is a section title: "Science Progresses By Leaps and Bound." (See attachment).


The reference is unmistakably clear. The Big O creators here is referring to a famous book by Thomas Kuhn named The Structure of Scientific Revolutions (1962), where the extremely influential notion of "paradigm" was proposed for the first time. According to Kuhn, each scientific revolution is brought about NOT by gradual accumulation of empirical discoveries as we usually believe, but by a sudden "paradigm shift," that is a drastic change in our fundamental conceptual framework (model or persepective, if you like) through which we interpret our data and findings. What makes Newton and Eienstein different is not the "facts" they collect and possess, but the diverse paradigms in which they respectively worked. Radically speaking, there is no "genuine" scientific progress, but only a transformation of the way we see and examine the world. .


1962+40 years = 2002

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A paradigm shift usually occurs within a very short period of time if not overnight, like taking a great leap and bound or undergoing an earthquake, but paradoxically it is not easy to be fully articulated and captured. It takes place at a more unconscious level of the scientific community or a certain society. Once the paradigm has shifted, people in a new paradigm would find it impossible to make sense of what had once been taken for granted within another paradigm. So imagine by some "accident" you find yourself transported back or forth to a different paradigm, you would certainly feel like being thrown into a horrorifyingly strange landscape. No doubt Roger the wanderer would feel so lost in a Paradigm other than what he is familiar with. (Interestingly, visually this difference is represented as between New York, the backdrop of the entire show, and Chicago, the setting of Act 14.)
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Like buried (implanted?) memories being relased after getting shocked with electricity

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The entire story of The Big O can be therefore read as a story of paradigm shifts: each earthquakelike shift leads to amnesia and loss of continuity. Actually, this is even closer to the vision of the French philosopher Michel Foucault's The Order of Things (1966), only that he used the word "episteme" instead of "paradigm," but no doubt he was under the influence of Kuhn. The Big O world is a post-Kuhn or post-Foucault world. Before Kuhn and Foucault, no one really "felt" any paradigm shift; but since then, we have become highly anxious about it, now that we are told we have lost our "memories" of the previous paradigms.

The Big O is obviously informed by quite a number of advanced critical and literary theories. "Paradigm" is only one of them.


I noticed something this last time was watching act 15, that this post clarified with this post. In act 13, Rogers fears in the library were of three bigs coming to the city, one beign big o. in Act 14 the third part of the off-white big Bonaparte was replaced. The Big that had Big Fau behind its maskplate (the one that had Bio O's arm in its mouth and was attacking it with what looks like a sonic weapon, hmm, someone been busy installing additional weapons) almost seemed to ask "who are you?" Not to mention that the phrase "roger smith" was audible in Rogers voice during the fight.

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No doubt Roger the wanderer would feel so lost in a Paradigm other than what he is familiar with. (Interestingly, visually this difference is represented as between New York, the backdrop of the entire show, and Chicago, the setting of Act 14.)


The backdrop of Chicago, thats interesting.

Chicago is near Canada, which has a strong french influence. and 2006-40 years = 1966, publishing year of [I]The Order of Things[I]. Roger 'anchored' himself with the, well, the anchors. At the end of act 26 Roger had fears of being duplicated into infinite androids, another paradigm shift, and came to be only to have to do the same thing to Big Fau, that is 'anchor and shoot.' The post Big Fau Paradigm City would have to focus on rebuilding and examination of the Rosewater legacy, also food issues would be forefront and maybe, just maybe an examination as to where the Union came from (Chicago perhaps, is there a "Big O" Megadeuce there too?)

Questions Questions
Captain Maw 07-05-2005 06:33 AM
ya know... i have this gut feeling... that three fourths of the stuff we find out that it has something to do with the Big O, are merely cool coincidences... and will not aid in the deciphering of the series, etc... interesting things though...
paradoxx 07-06-2005 03:50 AM
Just imagine how the creators feel about it. I was thinking along the same lines of thought after I posted my information.